By rejecting non-essential cookies, Reddit may still use certain cookies to ensure the proper functionality of our platform. Corporal GARDNER: (Audio recording) Yeah, Dr. Turner, I'm Corporal Gardner with the Pennsylvania State Police. In November 2001, the body of a young doctor named Andrew Bagby was discovered in Keystone State Park outside Latrobe, Pennsylvania, five bullet wounds in his face, chest, buttocks, and the back of the head. "He was beautiful," Kate . Or it's in the car. I only live a block away.' KATE: On Sunday night I got out of bed and prayed because I thought Andrew was at risk. Just rage. David and Katehad been together for three years when they came on the show. After the child was born the clearly mentally-ill mother wrecked havok on the grandparents lives. If Shirley, Turner had her way, they wouldn't have met Zachary at all, claiming she didn't. What shocked fans the most was that Kate actually took David back, and the pair dated for a while after the show aired. More than a month passed before Turner was finally arrested in Canada on December 21 but, within hours she was out on bail until she could be extradited to the US. It soon became apparent who was responsible. The days Andrew and his buddies would goof-off, watch movies and sleep over right there in the family room. a month after 30 days. I read on Netflix it's best you know nothing about the story, and that is so true. `You gave me a lovely son, and now it's over.'. Unfortunately, it went out of print and is very expensive to purchase. Please try again. But two months later, that would change, after Shirley appealed, again to be released on bail. She just dropped to the floor and laid down, and, I went down after her. In the, tribute documentary their son's best friend Kurt Kuenne was making to someday, give Zachary, the Bagbys' friends recount how difficult it was for David and. But the book is also the story of a remarkable couple whose journey of grief took them from the suburban comfort of Northern California to the harsh coast and courts of Newfoundland, Canada. Being from Newfoundland,I was well aware of the happenings in this book as they were happening. I had NO idea what the outcome was going to be. murderer in check. I think it was supposed to be just a brief college romance, says Kurt Kuenne, Andrews close friend since first grade at St. Andrews School in Saratoga. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murders_of_Andrew_Bagby_and_Zachary_Turner 314 [deleted] 5 mo. For more information, please see our 2007 David Bagby (P)2016 ListenUp Production, LLC. The Bagbys couldnt imagine a darker moment than their sons November 2001 murder. But that is what the Bagbys. What if she is backed in a. corner? The night was. The man said Turner had called him about 200 times in a one-month period, including a call to tell him she was pregnant with his child. Something went wrong, please try again later. Well, I said, `Bring some beer. It is scary and shocking and I found myself admiring them in a way I have admired few and wondering how they managed to go on. We had negotiated a one-hour-a-week visitation in family court. whose parents are charged with a violent crime. GARDNER: (Audio recording) Would you be willing to turn the gun into your local police department so they could get it to us to let us look at it? Bagbys wondered if there might ever be an extradition hearing. MORRISON: It was almost two years after Andrew Bagby's murder, when Shirley Turner's eldest son T.J. drove home to his girlfriend after an. . Cant imagine the pain the author went through writing this book. The new law enhances ongoing child welfare improvements that can be traced back to Zachary's death, he said in an interview. Andrew Bagby was an easygoing man with a wide circle of friends who found it almost impossible to say no to people. MORRISON: After you found out about Andrew's death, the impulse just ended. A court mandate allowed David and Kate Bagby to spend time, with their grandson, babysitting, even sharing in joint activities with. "The law had let her out on the street and let her keep formal custody of the baby," says David. Home video captured what looked like a. typical domestic scene, but beneath these happy images lies a darker truth. They sound like wonderful people who were needlessly tortured by a horrible psychopath, It is gut wrenching to read the details and to hear how much both Andrew and David were loved by both David and his wife, Reviewed in the United States on April 27, 2016. If. Then, upon. especially long work day and dropped himself in front of the television. As the months slowly passed, the Bagbys visitation rights were expanded. MORRISON: But was that what you assumed had happened? Thought, you know, `Who would want to kill him?'. Mr. BAGBY: He's now engaged to this lovely girl, and he's going to go to med school. 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We would've done handstands and cartwheels to. Kate and David Bagby's beloved son was murdered by a deranged ex-lover, who then announced she was carrying his baby. The Bagbys went to the morgue to identify their bodies. A variation on glop, adds David, but it was good, often. After Andrew Bagby's death, Turner left Pennsylvania for Newfoundland, her home province, and gave birth to their son. Some of, those frames even at the dollar stores will say--there'll be little sayings on, Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) if you want to say `Mommy and Daddy' on a. frame and stick a picture of me and Andrew in it, I don't know. Wasn't anybody willing to step up(besides the Bagbys) and try to rescue that baby?? The governments report concluded that in all reasonable probability Turner was searching for a way to easily access the ocean along the rocky coast. But he was accepted here, St. John's, Newfoundland, the easternmost point in North America. So, be prepared., The emotion that was shown was beyond description, really, Snow says. "Honestly, that's one of the things that makes me most happy about the passage of the law," he said from Burbank, Calif. "I hope it will enable them to kind of move on mentally and enjoy good things in life. MORRISON: The girl was Heather, also an aspiring doctor. MORRISON: Andrew's best friend, filmmaker Kurt Kuenne, suddenly, just knew what he had begun as a small film to memorialize his old friend. I can understand that. Chicago Mayor Lori Lightfoot concedes defeat, Southern California home sales fall to all-time low, Denver just got a direct flight to this Caribbean island known for music history and vegetarian cooking, NYC Mayor Adams dismisses need to separate church and state, declares himself a servant of God, Zero-calorie sweetener linked to heart attack and stroke, study finds, Do Not Sell/Share My Personal Information. Then, in August 2003, Shirley Turner killed herself and the one-year-old Zachary by jumping into the Atlantic Ocean. Right? This attracted the needy and insecure Turner to him. She eventually kills Zachary in a murder-suicide. Mr. SIMPSON: He said, `You'll never guess who showed up on my doorstep at 5:30.' Was inspired to read this book after watching the horrifying documentary "Dear Zachary". He was a happy baby, with strawberry-blond hair and Andrew's nose. My gut just churned. But I used to look at her hand and think, it. Andrew, despite his obvious abilities, was turned down by every medical school in the country. Kurt Kuenne embarked on the documentary following the murder of his best friend, Andrew. They might as well have sent a taxi to her to help take him out and drown him. A tragedy that could have been prevented. Its rage with me, he says. The full hour will not be available online. She would never go away. How could Kate Bagby from Sunnyvale have anything to do with murder? (Photo of David and Kate; airplane; lake and coast), MORRISON: But here's the thing. Around 3 a.m. on Aug. 18, she found the fishing wharf in the tiny town of Foxtrap. Unidentified Woman #10: (Kate holding Zachary) Zachary. GARDNER: (Audio recording) I have to tell you that Andrew is dead. ', KATE: (Audio recording) Yeah. The Bagbys are extraordinary people. At some point, police say, Turner tied the arms of her jacket together to lash Zachary to her as she walked carrying him. Kate on average, especially at the beginning, tended to break down in despair and tears, David says. Kate said Shirley insisted on keeping Zachary in, the deep pool, which frustrated him because he couldn't move on his own. It is a priority for CBC to create products that are accessible to all in Canada including people with visual, hearing, motor and cognitive challenges. Then she killed his brother. Kate and David married five months later. Despite being a documentary, this film revolves around a major plot twist in its second half, and many of the trope names themselves are spoilers for it. May give you a new appreciation for being an American. MORRISON: Because Zachary liked you best? Do not get me wrong: it is a ver emotional history with a real case but I am not sure to have a book about it and I think that the family deserves respect. After viewing product detail pages, look here to find an easy way to navigate back to pages you are interested in. Andrew's parents say he tried, frequently, to ease out of the relationship altogether, but Shirley wouldn't buy it. The Bagbys hoping to gain custody of Zachary moved to Newfoundland and began a long, drawn-out battle in court and with Canadian social services to protect their grandson from the woman who had almost certainly murdered their son. Woman #11: Doesn't matter what happened. David Bagby vowed to "scream long and loud about that." He penned a book, Dance with the Devil: A Memoir of Murder and Loss, released in 2007. There are so many questions raised:why was there no psychological profile done on Turner as she awaited trial?Why did child protection services not do their job and protect ( or even follow closely) Zachary? I said, `When do you think you'll be done?' It doesnt go away.. An autopsy report would show that an anti-anxiety drug, prescribed by the very psychiatrist who put up Shirley's bail money had been, mixed into Zachary's formula. I kind of need to move on from that because, like I. said, I'm a Bagby male. They were forced to hand Zachary back to Turner and, again, tiptoe around her. Thankfully, their relationship didn't turn into a lifelong romance. And then, November 2001, Andrew Bagby was shot dead in a state park not far from the hospital in which the young doctor was a resident, and his devoted parents all but lost the will to live. Take a look at Kate and her new love below: In addition to her thriving love life, Kate also created a brand called Spread the Love, which sells clothing and beauty items. The couple were so scared of upsetting Turner and losing access to Zachary they forced themselves to be cordial. I was at work and the receptionist said you have a call from the Sunnyvale police, says Kate, then a nurse practitioner in obstetrics and gynecology at Santa Clara Valley Medical Center. She. Zachary enjoyed himself in the water and a couple of hours later the Bagbys drove Turner and the baby home. Mrs. Kate Holland Bagby, age 101, of Flowery Branch entered into eternal rest with her Heavenly Father on Tuesday, Oct. 2, 2012, at her residence following a short illness. Nurse and mother Kate Bagby was at work caring for patients the day she heard . The couple's long fight for legal changes in Canada ended Wednesday with a new law. GARDNER: (Audio recording) I'm not going to kid you, Doctor. 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I just finishes the book, and for a first-time writer I thought the writing was excellent. KATE: (Zachary hugging Kate) This is your Uncle Kurt. They would go to Pennsylvania to . Your recently viewed items and featured recommendations, Dance with the Devil: A Memoir of Murder and Loss. And that's when she said, `He loves you, more than me. would now have to be something else, a visual letter to Andrew's baby. Dear Abby: Why do they imply my husband is a freak? But before that could happen, Shirley was apparently deemed neither, dangerous nor a flight risk and almost immediately released on bail, most of, it posted by one of her mentors from med school, a psychiatrist to whom she'd, gone for treatment after Andrew's murder. Was she lying? Mr. BAGBY: We first got to see him personally in family court. And she followed Andrew to St. John's.. This book was very well written, and straight to the point. When police interviewed the hospital staff Mr. SIMPSON: I said, `Well, you don't have to look far.' fc-falcon">kate and david bagby still alive sms online empfangen neue nummer June 1, 2022. Not only do you get the whole story of how the justice system failed, but Dave goes on to explain how it should be fixed. They were in kind of a basement apartment with second-hand furniture. Newfoundland to meet the now 11-month-old little boy. Not always.. If she had her way, we would not have had any visitation at, MORRISON: Coming up, fighting not just to see their grandson, but. We don't--we don't gush very much. Temptation Island: What Happened To David & Kate After Season 2? The Hornet was just back from patrolling the coast of Vietnam. anything like that, would we take care of Zachary? And when, after his first year at med school, Heather broke off the engagement, Andrew was crushed. He said he had a couple of English nurses who wanted to go to Disneyland. MORRISON: When T.J. heard about Andrew's murder Mr. SHEARS: I just figure, `OK, well, he was in America. not only is Shirley Turner never held accountable for murdering Andrew, but she's allowed to keep primary custody of Zachary, ultimately resulting in his death. Dear Zachary: A Letter to a Son about His Father is a 2008 documentary detailing the life and death of one Dr. Andrew Bagby, a resident at a family practice in Latrobe, Pennsylvania. The 13-month-old boy died when his mother, Dr. Shirley Turner, held him and jumped into the frigid North Atlantic near Conception Bay South, N.L. The Bagbys attended the hearing, of course, and, could not quite believe their ears when they heard the judge's ruling. If it looks like she's likely to go back, how is she going to behave? By 6 p.m. she left for Keystone State Park, where she and Andrew had agreed to meet after his hospital shift. [2] : 494 [3] At the time, Shirley had been released on bail and . Mr. BAGBY: Yes. They had tapped into their retirement accounts to get by. Please try again. MORRISON: Police got Shirley Turner on the phone back in Iowa. Nurse and mother Kate Bagby was at work caring for patients the day she heard her son had been murdered. The project took a tragic turn and became a catalyst for legal change when Zachary didn't live to see it. will not hurt Zachary, period. MORRISON: It was August 2003, the wee hours of the morning by the ocean. endure another round of grief when Turner has another psychotic episode and drowns herself in the ocean along with Zachary. The suicide, he says, confirmed what he never wanted to believe that his mother was a murderer. For those who've asked how Kate & David Bagby are doing now, here's a lovely article from Diane Crocker at Newfoundland's The Western Star. MORRISON: And tell me about your mum with Zachary. She spends most of her free time watching hit reality TV shows or writing about it for ScreenRant. helped convince me that she would not hurt Zachary. Meeting her at 6. Kate went to the floor, and I kicked the door and--oh, we, just--just like with Andrew, there's nothing you can do. I'm sure she died thinking she had won, but I also hope her she is living her justice now, in hell. Content-wise, this Is exactly what I wanted and more. He would always be sitting on that chair, there, Kate says, pointing to a stool at the kitchen breakfast bar, on the phone.. Kuenne said he's grateful that politicians championed a law that could save lives. I became very emotional with this horrifying tale of injustice. And I prayed to God to be looking after him. MORRISON: Andrew's body was discovered the following morning with bullets lodged in his face, buttock, chest, the back of his head. There was the swimming pool and the pool table and the parents who were always there, but never in the way. 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